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Hamad Ahmed Kisana wrote:hahhaha hamad bhai we are stunned with beauty of your lilies because they are comparatively big,healthy and colorful then ours...so it is your hard work and green thumb... :mrgreen:
Thanks Hamad AK ;) , but I think more than green thumb its the climatic condition that suits them and I really want to bring them to Pakistan but I think just because of the climate they will not perform really good.

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Yes Hamad you are right its the perfect climate that gives you so much beautiful Lilies.True lilies are summer bulbs but not in our plains.Summer in the UK do not rise above 32 c so thats the ideal temp for these lilies.Here if some one wants to grow it just like yours then our hilly areas are perfect other wise the result will never be other same.my most favorite hybrids were Tiger woods & Hot spot both are orientals.In Asiatic Enchantment was my favorite.I love Orientals which may be 10 inch across.Truly Lilliums are the greatest bulbs but once again they are not for us lining in plains.
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agreed Umar but is there any way to neutralize them in such a way that they remain out of our scorching heat months or to place them in south direction in semi tree shade that may help them to bloom better, or what do you say about Yahyah's experience in Karachi Sindh his corms remain dormant in summer
dear hamad: i am pleased to know that u are interested these heavenly flowers as i consider them the best for size colour texture longivity and good perfume. Easter lilies here in daharki as well as in karachi remain dormant from mid may to mid October in little bit wet soil in a shaded area. do not water them too much just keep the soil a little wet so as to keep the bulbs hydrated. in October i take them out and plant them in new container, the bigger the better, placing them two inches from the surface. in my pots i place two three inches of dung manure then mixed loam and at the top four inches mostly sandy soil with a little dung manure. in November here in daharki or by late october in karachi they sprout. i place the pot only in the morning sun till January, then i keep it in open sun. in February a nice flush of blooms come. for the whole month. sometimes in April a second flush also comes which i do not want as April is too hot here and it only weakens the bulbs.i always shift the pots in the morning sun area in march where they remain till may when the leave turn yellow . in the first week of June i pull out the dead stems and keep the pot in shaded area again.hope this will help you.
yahya.
I always get anxious and wish if this would be possible with Oriental Lily or one should try and may be that's is the only reason I always quote his post because I wish if its possible in our climate

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yes he is 100 % right that they are surviving here in our hot weather brig arif sb is growing them i also have 3 plants which i bought previous year and waiting for October to re sprout. but main problem is that they remain small and flowers are also small and less in numbers .after seeing your lilies i am much disappointed with their performance.so i think naturalizing is not problem but performance is when you wait whole year for blooms and they dont fulfil you expectations that is problem.but you dont be so anxious a gardeners life is full with experiments so try to bring them Pakistan ad i am hopeful they will naturalize here.
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Hamad Ahmed Kisana wrote:yes he is 100 % right that they are surviving here in our hot weather brig arif sb is growing them i also have 3 plants which i bought previous year and waiting for October to re sprout. but main problem is that they remain small and flowers are also small and less in numbers .after seeing your lilies i am much disappointed with their performance.so i think naturalizing is not problem but performance is when you wait whole year for blooms and they dont fulfil you expectations that is problem.but you dont be so anxious a gardeners life is full with experiments so try to bring them Pakistan ad i am hopeful they will naturalize here.
Hamad AK couple of questions,
In which month usually they start sprouting for you?
In which direction have you planted them, means North, East or?
are they in pots or in soil?

Asiatic is common in Pakistan and may be your Lily are also Asiatic, they are small in size as compare to Oriental and less fragrant and also less number of blooms per plant, I will bring Oriental for you to try, it may perform well with couple of tricks like planting them in south direction with dappled shade, regular fertilizer and a little bit of refrigeration will do the job I hope.


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Hamad Orientals will never flower in there second year in our plains.They are the most beautiful of all true lilies.Asiatic & Tiger will flower but we can not gain the perfection.When i say a bulb is not flowering or the result is poor then its simply the bulb is out of its natural climate.Hamad i have even left the giant Dahlias.they flower in our climate but we do not get the perfection in the flowers.simply compare Dahlia or lilies in the UK or in our hilly areas with those grown in our plains.Sorry to say but just compare the lilies grown in Brig sbs garden with your own.Brig Arif is a master gardener even he is not satisfied with lilies.his lilies are Asiatic so think about Orientals which need more chill hours.its not the matter of shade or full sun.we can not gain the temps which lilies plus they also like acidic soil.Lilies love full sun only there base should in shade.for this purpose many gardeners grow low growing annuals or even leave the low growing weeds around there stem so that there base should remain in shade.Great rule for purchasing Lily bulbs is that the bulbs should be firm & moist like not hard like other bulbs.if hard then they will not sprout.
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may be i am wrong at some point but this is my personal expirence,i do not plant those in which i can not gain the perfection.I love your Orientals.I used to purchase Orientals in 98 from Awan comitte chowk Rawalpindi.they use to offer up to 20 varieties of true lilies.
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hamad bhai i am not expert in lilies field it is my second year with them .exact time of previous years sprouting is not in my mind perhaps in octoberthey started sprouted and flowers in end march and April am growing them in ground under shade of mangoes trees.only evening sun approaches them.after blooming they remained green and in June they start drying their leaves and produced proliferation's in july which i plucked from plant and sowed them in pot they start sprouting suddenly and now are about 2 inches and mother plants are now completely vanished. .about variety i am sure they are Asiatic lilies cultivar not sure.one of them is same as yours white and its flower size is bigger than others.

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UMARKHANMARDAN wrote:Hamad Orientals will never flower in there second year in our plains.They are the most beautiful of all true lilies.Asiatic & Tiger will flower but we can not gain the perfection.When i say a bulb is not flowering or the result is poor then its simply the bulb is out of its natural climate.Hamad i have even left the giant Dahlias.they flower in our climate but we do not get the perfection in the flowers.simply compare Dahlia or lilies in the UK or in our hilly areas with those grown in our plains.Sorry to say but just compare the lilies grown in Brig sbs garden with your own.Brig Arif is a master gardener even he is not satisfied with lilies.his lilies are Asiatic so think about Orientals which need more chill hours.its not the matter of shade or full sun.we can not gain the temps which lilies plus they also like acidic soil.Lilies love full sun only there base should in shade.for this purpose many gardeners grow low growing annuals or even leave the low growing weeds around there stem so that there base should remain in shade.Great rule for purchasing Lily bulbs is that the bulbs should be firm & moist like not hard like other bulbs.if hard then they will not sprout.
no doubt knowledge and experience speaks for itself and stand out, you really know these beauties but its such a disappointment :( :( that we cant have them in our climate, such a shame but that's how the plants are and that's how Allah made them to flower in certain climates.
being a tuber lover I think I have a very small range of tuber those who some true in our climate because most of them are meant to be In cold climate like Daffs, Tulips, Agapanthus, Lilies, belladonna and on and on on and a lot more of them but :( poor me cant have them in Wah Cantt.

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Hamad don,t be discourage man.there are so many plants that can not be enjoyed in cool climate.Our mother land has such diverse climate that we can enjoy every thing.What i like Peony which is really meant for cool climate but if i say i cant grow it at Mardan so i,l leave gardening.no,never Allah has gifted so many other plants to us to enjoy.
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