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[dragoonsers]

Just adding to the information, Imidacloprid is best used as a soil drench. Foliar spray is good but it kills beneficial insects and has bad effects on bees. I used to spray and bee hives in two trees have disappeared. they are now back since i no longer SPRAY but use as a drench which means in a bucket mix the powder and feed to roots. Plants take up the chemical through roots and it is protective in a much better way. It is also a systemic insecticide.

I use it on roses and citrus and have had profound results. I apply every two-three months to the soil. It lasts long, and I have had no problems with insects. Umar sb suggested this product for me too, as well as oberon for spider mites.

This is a nice chart where one can see where/how to use imida on different plants. PLEASE FOLLOW THE DILUTION RATIOS OF YOUR SPECIFIC PRODUCT. This is for reference only!

http://www.herbiguide.com.au/Labels/IMI ... 8-0908.PDF


Some references:
http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews ... oprid.html
http://ccesuffolk.org/assets/galleries/ ... series.pdf
http://msucares.com/newsletters/pests/b ... bw1304.pdf

[newton]

Most people are somewhat aware that pesticides cause a great deal of environmental harm. Less well known are the effects pesticides have on individual health. Imidacloprid is manufactured by German chemical and pharmaceuticals company Bayer AG. The company was founded over 150 years ago and one of the first things they did was to market heroin. Some other lesser known facts I have included below

Nazi chairman
In 1956 Fritz ter Meer became chairman of Bayer's supervisory board. He was convicted at the Nuremberg trials for his part in carrying out experiments on human subjects at Auschwitz. He was found "guilty of count two, plunder and spoliation, and count three, slavery and mass murder" and sentenced to seven years imprisonment and served five years.

HIV infected blood products"After 1978, there were four major companies in the United States engaged in the manufacture, production and sale of Factor VIII and IX: one of which was Bayer Corporation and its Cutter Biological division, they have been or are defendants in certain lawsuits. The plaintiffs allege that the companies manufactured and sold blood factor products as beneficial "medicines" that were, in fact of likely to be contaminated with HIV and/or HCV. This resulted in the mass infection and/or deaths of thousands of haemophiliacs worldwide.

Baycol
After 52 deaths were blamed on an alleged side effect of Bayer's anticholesterol drug Baycol, its manufacture and sale were discontinued in 2001. The side effect was rhabdomyolysis, causing renal failure, which occurred with a tenfold greater frequency in patients treated with Baycol in comparison to those prescribed alternate medications of the statin class.

Medicaid reimbursement
In January 2001, Bayer agreed to pay $14 million to the United States and 45 states to settle allegations under the federal False Claims Act that the company caused physicians and other health care providers to submit fraudulently inflated reimbursement claims.

Methyl parathion poisoning case
In October 2001, Bayer was taken to court after 24 children in the Andean village of Tauccamarca, Peru were killed and 18 severely poisoned when they drank a powdered milk substitute contaminated with the insecticide methyl parathion. A Peruvian Congressional Subcommittee found significant evidence of criminal responsibility by Bayer and the Peruvian Ministry of Agriculture.

Liberty Link rice
In August 2006, it became apparent that the United States rice crop had been contaminated with unapproved genetically engineered Bayer CropScience rice. The genetically engineered rice has an herbicide-resistance trait. These forms of rice are commonly referred to among US rice growers as "Liberty Link rice 601" or "LL 601" it has an inbuilt trait to actually increases susceptibility to certain insect attack that then requires the application of Bayer chemicals.

The effects in your garden and home

Be aware that imidacloprid applications have sometimes contributed to outbreaks of resistant spider mites and certain other pests. Do not apply imidacloprid to plants with cottony cushion scale because the insecticide is highly toxic to beneficial predatory vedalia lady beetles and its use can cause dramatic increases in cottony cushion scale populations.

Imidacloprid is one of the most toxic insecticides to bees, even microscopic wind borne particles contribute to the total collapse of a hive. When applied as a soil treatment it does move up into flowers to injure or kill bees, other pollinators and beneficial insects. Avoid application to flowering plants that are visited by these beneficials. If used, don't apply until after bloom has been completed.

Imidacloprid is highly toxic to four bird species: Japanese quail, house sparrow, canary, and pigeon. they should not be consuming insects or fruits contaminated with the insecticide.

Imidacloprid has been shown to turn off some genes that some rice varieties use to produce defensive chemicals. While imidacloprid is used for control of the brown planthopper and other rice pests, there is evidence that imidacloprid actually increases the susceptibility of the rice plant to planthopper infestation and attacks.

In mammals, the primary effects following acute high-dose oral exposure to imidacloprid are mortality, transient cholinergic effects (dizziness, apathy, locomotor effects, labored breathing) and transient growth retardation.

Exposure to high doses may be associated with degenerative changes in the testes, thymus, bone marrow and pancreas. Cardiovascular and hematological effects have also been observed at higher doses.

The primary effects of longer term, lower-dose exposure to imidacloprid are on the liver, thyroid, and body weight (reduction). Low- to mid-dose oral exposures have been associated with reproductive toxicity, developmental retardation and neurobehavioral deficits.

Precautions and Safety Equipment
Minimize your exposure to pesticides. Avoid contact with eyes. Wear eye protection, long pants, a long-sleeved shirt, and a hat that can be washed after each use. Always read label of individual product for additional directions. keep them well away from children and dispose of the chemical and its container in a safe prescribed manner.

Im sorry but in my garden I want to be able to listen to the birdsong, I want my grandchildren, nephews and nieces to be able to visit and even pick some of the flowers or learn the pleasures of gardening at a young age while eating their ice cream and sweets. I don't want to worry about them ending up in hospital.
I want to be able to admire a flower that (like me not perfect) has beneficial insects around it and I want to be able to consume my locally produced sweet nectar of the bees that Allah thalla has so generously provided. I know he already perfected the balance of nature.

[UMARKHANMARDAN]

What is my concern Bayer products are best on the market. I love their products.I use their products on my orchards as well as in home gardens & they are proven performers.

[Munir]

With the proven bad effects of the pesticides,& this long list against Imidacloprid,Gardens must be kept OUT OF BOUND for these,till their use becomes absolutely inescapable.In my view,it is better to sacrifice a few plants,certainly the affected vegetables & fruits,rather than use these poisons.One should instead look for organic sprays/treatments,which are now becoming available on internet & even in the market.

[newton]

Im sorry to divert the thread away from the original posters problem but as a general observation I understand where you are coming from

Practically you should not rely on a single product as that often causes an inbuilt resistance by the very organisms you seek to remove.

For commercial usage you should do as much research as possible on the positives and negatives of the chemical you intend to use and then adhere to strict application and disposal guidelines. that's the reason why I have included the above negatives of the chemical and the company behind their production as they are often not realised or poorly understood.

Organic alternatives when correctly utilised can be just as effective they are cheaper and far more environmentally friendly.

Pakistan has been a successful agrarian based society for millennia, (historically proven that over 10,000 years ago grain, fruit was being intensively cultivated and cattle domesticated). We got some things right surely. With a learned information base passed from generation to generation through necessity, hard work, trial and error. It is important not to lose that skill and knowledge for our future generations. Becoming reliant on chemical products then very quickly all that vast knowledge gets dissipated and lost. In the meantime we not only lose our bees but a lot more besides.

[Tahir Khan]

Organic pesticides are hard to find, have not yet been able to find Neem oil based pesticide..checked all Agro stores..that is why i resort to chemicals

[newton]

Neem oil is available in lahore. I used it as organic pesticide. It was made in karachi and then brought to lahore.

For small scale home gardens use you can make your own neem oil at home with some basic ingredients.

last time I was in Pakistan I saw it available in bottles at medicinal and grocery stores.

[M Farooq]

There are so many "natural" options, it does require little of extra work but it is indeed safe. My tiny request to Ifzal sb is not to raise legal / historical issues with company names. Let's keep the subject neutral and generic.

1. Simplest recipe told by KBW sb: Boil fresh green leaves of Neem in water and boil till water becomes brown. Aphids certainly die with this mixture. He is very happy with this mixture. I used it once or twice. It is a mild pesticide.

2. More time consuming but effective and slightly expensive: Boil enough reethay in water till water is soapy to touch. Strain and spray. Since it has a natural surfactant it instantly wets the skin of water-repelling skin of mealy bugs, and other unwanted pests. Once it wets the pest's skin, the solution is a very effective insecticide. Most insects die quickly after contact. Personally used it and found it effective.

3. No idea about Neem "oil". The only problem is that oil and water do not mix. Period. We cannot effectively spray it until and unless we make a emulsion in water by adding little bit of a surfactant or in other words a detergent (which is a very tricky subject).

[mikhurram]

Apart from the methods recommended above you can also make use of the information provided in the url below.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=884&start=10

[muhammad umer]

What is my concern Bayer products are best on the market. I love their products.I use their products on my orchards as well as in home gardens & they are proven performers.

I agree that these are best products. And I would rather not lose my rose plants.

Also I like to mention that plz judge nazis or hitler or germans in light of muslims history.
Dont paste the opinions of gora sahab in ur brains. I am against mass genocides and hitlers madness. But his method and principles suited us. U people say things after watching a lot of english movies .