Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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@akheilos
Brother I don't think anyone will be able to provide the pictures and other details that you need. During my visits to Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir in past 30 years (and trekking deep into jungles and mountains), I have seen numerous types of berries growing wild and I am sure some of them looked quite close to the strawberries that you have shown in the pics. However, I don't have any pics and I am not sure anyone else would. Actually, I have eaten some of them too.

I am also not sure that any agricultural research institute would have the details that you need. We are not the kind of people who believe in research and preserving records. You would be extremely lucky if you get a positive answer to your queries. Else, and most probably, you will have to come to Pakistan and search them out yourself in the mountains. You can be provided guidance that where to go..... I wish I could help you :)

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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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I have a few pictures taken at Fairy meadows (grassland near one of the base camp sites of the Nanga Parbat, located in Diamer District, Gilgit-Baltistan)
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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M Farooq wrote:Dear Mr./Ms Akheilos, I highly appreciate your efforts and enthusiasm for your research on local plants. Don't be disappointed by the lack of replies. There are couple of reasons that you may not be getting the replies, even from those who you expect that they know the answers. No. 1 is that they do not know the specifics, the second case is that they are genuinely hardcore incompetent people who are occupying research positions in the govt / faculty and the third is that there is no incentive for them to help you. In short, you have to help yourself i.e. it is your PhD project so you have to do the research yourself, otherwise if it were so easy, anyone could have done it.

Have you checked proper and professional databases such as Flora of Pakistan (several volumes) to begin with and have you visited libraries?

Here is one example: http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx? ... =200010860

Also check numerous Flora of (British) India volumes by our former British masters etc, and above all the The Plant list which contains the information about all plants. The plant list also takes you to herbarium specimens

http://www.theplantlist.org/

Best of luck.

"it is your PhD project so you have to do the research yourself, otherwise if it were so easy, anyone could have done it."

It is my PhD but getting a PhD in no way makes me an expert on the flora of the world. And Every PhD student does some form of "collaboration" in their lives. My supervisor is running a project in 5 countries and I am a direct part in 2 of them....So that was really a rude thing to say!

Lastly, if I knew people in Pakistan are soo uninterested, I shouldnt be wasting my time now should I?

I did look through some of those citations....The problem is not the books...I wish to collaborate meaning I wish to know someone who is in the field WILLING to look beyond their work bench!

All the sources you pointed out (at least of the ones I have seen) ONLY have brief knowledge about the plant and more about where it is found....I am interested in depth knowledge which can ONLY come from one who is either interested in the field or belongs to the field..



Good day to you too
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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Usama wrote:I have a few pictures taken at Fairy meadows (grassland near one of the base camp sites of the Nanga Parbat, located in Diamer District, Gilgit-Baltistan)
Thank you brother...

That def looks like the common wild strawberry....So this was at Nanga Parbat....

Hmmm.....Do you by any chance have any pictures of the fruit? :)
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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KBW wrote:@akheilos
Brother I don't think anyone will be able to provide the pictures and other details that you need. During my visits to Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir in past 30 years (and trekking deep into jungles and mountains), I have seen numerous types of berries growing wild and I am sure some of them looked quite close to the strawberries that you have shown in the pics. However, I don't have any pics and I am not sure anyone else would. Actually, I have eaten some of them too.

I am also not sure that any agricultural research institute would have the details that you need. We are not the kind of people who believe in research and preserving records. You would be extremely lucky if you get a positive answer to your queries. Else, and most probably, you will have to come to Pakistan and search them out yourself in the mountains. You can be provided guidance that where to go..... I wish I could help you :)

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I was actually very sure the research institutes would have been thrilled to offer help and even used my official email address when I emailed them but their lack of interest was really hear breaking....

As for coming to Pakistan myself, I cant get funds to start a search IF I have no proof there is something worth spending a search on! Hence my asking around (which is common for people in my field)
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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akheilos wrote:
Usama wrote:I have a few pictures taken at Fairy meadows (grassland near one of the base camp sites of the Nanga Parbat, located in Diamer District, Gilgit-Baltistan)
Thank you brother...

That def looks like the common wild strawberry....So this was at Nanga Parbat....

Hmmm.....Do you by any chance have any pictures of the fruit? :)
I am glad to help.

The time i visited, all the plants were on flowers. I did not spot any fruit.
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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akheilos wrote:
M Farooq wrote:Dear Mr./Ms Akheilos, I highly appreciate your efforts and enthusiasm for your research on local plants. Don't be disappointed by the lack of replies. There are couple of reasons that you may not be getting the replies, even from those who you expect that they know the answers. No. 1 is that they do not know the specifics, the second case is that they are genuinely hardcore incompetent people who are occupying research positions in the govt / faculty and the third is that there is no incentive for them to help you. In short, you have to help yourself i.e. it is your PhD project so you have to do the research yourself, otherwise if it were so easy, anyone could have done it.

Have you checked proper and professional databases such as Flora of Pakistan (several volumes) to begin with and have you visited libraries?

Here is one example: http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx? ... =200010860

Also check numerous Flora of (British) India volumes by our former British masters etc, and above all the The Plant list which contains the information about all plants. The plant list also takes you to herbarium specimens

http://www.theplantlist.org/

Best of luck.

"it is your PhD project so you have to do the research yourself, otherwise if it were so easy, anyone could have done it."

It is my PhD but getting a PhD in no way makes me an expert on the flora of the world. And Every PhD student does some form of "collaboration" in their lives. My supervisor is running a project in 5 countries and I am a direct part in 2 of them....So that was really a rude thing to say!

Lastly, if I knew people in Pakistan are soo uninterested, I shouldnt be wasting my time now should I?
Dear Akheilos,

My apologies if you had hard feelings. First of all you mentioned your location as Islamabad and this implies that you were studying in Pakistan. I wish that was clear to begin with. That is why keeping the geographical locations vague may not be very helpful. The problem is that collaborations rarely proceed by a young student writing to strangers (they don't know you, right, and vice versa). It would be far better and more realistic when your request route is through the supervisor in a more formal way. You will certainly find people interested in your work in Pakistan and elsewhere but the question is that formal collaborations rarely start on public forums where the main visitors are mainly hobbyists. My main purpose of writing was that the chances of finding someone online, regardless of the country, are quite slim and you will find this behavior in any country. I have been through the same phase, I used to write to several experts and it is rare to get replies because academic research no longer altruistic but it has become a hardcore business in every country and I am taking about developed countries. By business, I mean, the other party should also see some interest either in terms of funding, publications or manpower. Your collaboration will require field trips, formal permissions, institutional permissions, so it may not be very easy as you may think. If your supervisor can arrange a phone call, that might work. Older generation of local academicians are not email savvy. Wish you good luck for future and stay motivated-this is the very nature of research.
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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M Farooq wrote: Dear Akheilos,

My apologies if you had hard feelings. First of all you mentioned your location as Islamabad and this implies that you were studying in Pakistan. I wish that was clear to begin with. That is why keeping the geographical locations vague may not be very helpful.
Yea well it is tough to get the whole story out on an online forum... I used Islamabad coz I have relatives there :)
M Farooq wrote: The problem is that collaborations rarely proceed by a young student writing to strangers (they don't know you, right, and vice versa). It would be far better and more realistic when your request route is through the supervisor in a more formal way.
Probably but the same was true when my Supervisor "already had" a collaborator in Pakistan but he just suddenly stopped bothering....Hence, I didnt want my supervisor to get a bad impression and he thought it would be good a local spoke to them....who knew it would be less impressive!

M Farooq wrote: You will certainly find people interested in your work in Pakistan and elsewhere but the question is that formal collaborations rarely start on public forums where the main visitors are mainly hobbyists. My main purpose of writing was that the chances of finding someone online, regardless of the country, are quite slim and you will find this behavior in any country.
Oh my purpose here was to ask if anyone had seen the plants and the location...I am in no position to offer a collaboration but I was just getting information.
M Farooq wrote: I have been through the same phase, I used to write to several experts and it is rare to get replies because academic research no longer altruistic but it has become a hardcore business in every country and I am taking about developed countries. By business, I mean, the other party should also see some interest either in terms of funding, publications or manpower. Your collaboration will require field trips, formal permissions, institutional permissions, so it may not be very easy as you may think. If your supervisor can arrange a phone call, that might work. Older generation of local academicians are not email savvy. Wish you good luck for future and stay motivated-this is the very nature of research.
Honestly speaking I have a different experience....1 of my other supervisor gets emails from students around the world showing interest and wanting to learn ....and some of my own colleagues write to prof regarding their publication....And this is exactly what I did...I wrote to a few people based on their publication....their corresponding email was taken from their publications....

While some email addresses I found on National institutions...

I know a colleague told me that the "collaborators" from Pakistan at uni of Cambridge have some of this superiority complex where they treat those below them with little respect...To think people collaborating with Cambridge would have enough brains to behave like a normal human being...
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Re: Looking for wild strawberry in Pakistan

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My dear Akheilos
I am very sorry that members of this forum have dis appointed you, after all we are all home gardeners trying to make our surroundings more beautiful.

You talk of coming to Pakistan were as you give an impression of living in Islamabad.
I personally feel you have behaved rudely and arrogantly to friends who were trying to help you earnestly.

I have a very HIGH opinion of PHD in Agriculture,They have a tunnelled vision and have done nothing substantial in any Agri field for Pakistan.

You are from Islamabad, how many type of grasses grow in Islamabad.
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