Our Experts are LAKIR KE FAQIR

[Muhammad Arif Khan]

I am glad Bilal has taken my statement as his signature

It all started from these posts

by Muhammad Arif Khan » May 1st, 2014, 12:03 pm
IP:
Muhammad Bilal wrote:I m still not agree with my well experienced valuable friends that light showering is a right practice to irrigate lawn.
Healthy lawn requires about one inch of water per week. and in hot weather u can increase it to two per week. As a general rule, apply the water all at once rather than in several light waterings. Also it depends on soil media with quantity of organic matter in it.

It is what i got from my agricultural education, officials trainings/workshops and practice kept by our technical experts.

You are right your experts are right, what they are talking about is flood irrigation in general which is applicable in limited situations.
Dear Sir there are many a way to skin a cat, Follow the logic or the mullah what ever you like.
Food for thought;
What is the Air Capacity of your garden soil? say 20%.
2 inches/Sq inch water will occupy all the air space up to 10 inches.
The gravity will pull down all water more then the field capacity of the soil.
This water draining below 10 inches is also draining away the soluble fertilisers.
What is the depth of active grass roots or annuals?
Sprinkler irrigation is just short of puddle formation.
Arif

by Muhammad Arif Khan » May 3rd, 2014, 9:53 am
IP:
And this is the practice kept by our expert from long.

And this is a sentence I am allergic to.

We have no experts in this country We are LAKIR KAY FAKIR. What are the achievements of these so called experts (including the PHDs in Agriculture).
When I give an opinion it basically means this is how I do it, which again is related to my specific environment and requirement.

My inter action with international experts taught me that; when you ask a question, a pseudo-expert will give you an exact answer while a real expert will say, there are many schools of thought but personally I tend to agree with so and so.

When Allah created us He gave us batter brain, let us not put a lock on it.
Arif

by Muhammad Bilal » May 7th, 2014, 10:30 pm
IP:
Thanks to all but neither I think nor I m agree with Muhammad Arif Sahib personal statement "We have no experts in this country We are LAKIR KAY FAKIR". This statement is absolutely not true. we have our well skilled expert in every field of life. What we need to provide them a opportunity to work freely. "Lakir kay fakir" is a wrong thinking.
Our Experts are LAKIR KE FAQIR.
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Some friends of the forum have also expressed their opinions some in my defense, thank you but I am perfectly capable of defending my views and fighting my own battles being a soldier by profession.

I am an agriculturist and educated enough to become Director of a post graduate teaching institution.

we have our well skilled expert in every field of life. This discussion is confined to Gardening in Pakistan and not to other fields.
My statements are my personal views and certainly challengeable.
An EXPERT is a person having great knowledge and very high skills in a specific field (gardening in this case).
Sanwal is an old friend of mine; he used to work as a part time Mali for me. Now he does not work for me but pays me regular visits for healthy discussions. He loves gardening, is highly skilled, has fifty years of experience, and knows how, but not why about gardening. The best thing about him is that he is not Lakir Ka Faqir. I respect him a lot but do not consider him an expert.
It is my misfortune that I have not come across any expert in Gardening although I have many friends working in PHA and running well reputed Nurseries.
The most knowledgeable in this field I find are the friends from various garden forums and locally those having common interest.

Find me a real expert, thanks
Arif

[Kaleem]

Brig Sb
I am completely agreed with you.

[M Farooq]

Brig Sahab, You have hit the nail on the head by highlighting fundamental fallacy in logic "argumentum ad hominem" i.e. a given statement is true because a certain person has said that. You must read Abdul Haq's short story "Naam Dev Maali", your maali is exactly like Naam Dev's character.

However, we shouldn't make a sweeping statement that our Pakistani experts are useless (indeed many are). The fact is we have the best declared cotton scientists in the world to make us happy, but our TV would not highlight these things. They are busy with other pseudo-intellectuals.
http://www.dawn.com/news/715640/pakista ... st-in-2012 .

[mikhurram]

I favour Brig Sahib's point of view which resonates with my perspective.

The phenomenon of deferring to experts is not merely limited to Pakistan but kind of universal. Often there is a strong extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths to obey the commands of an authority which led Robert Cialdini in his ground breaking book “Psychology: The Psychology of Persusation” to coin ‘the principle of Authority: People defer to experts.’

Some excerpts from this book.
“Often we see evidence of strong pressure in our society for compliance with requests of authority. Acting contrary to their own preferences, many normal, psychologically healthy individuals were willing to deliver severe and dangerous levels of pain to another person simply because they were directed to do so by an authority figure. (Stanley Milgram’s 1974 experiment). The strengths of this tendency to obey legitimate authorities comes from systematic socialization practices designed to instill in members of society the perceptive that such obedience constitutes correct conduct.

In addition, it is frequently adaptive to obey the dictates of genuine authorities because such individuals possess only the high levels of knowledge, wisdom and power. For these reasons, deference to authorities can occur in mindless fashion as a kind of decision making short-cut.

When reacting to authority in automatic fashion, there is tendency to do so in mere symbols of authority rather than its substance. Three symbols that have been identified by research to be effective are titles, clothing and automobiles.

It is possible to defend ourselves against the detrimental effects of authority influence by asking two questions: Is this authority truly an expert? How truthful can we expect this expert to be? The first question directs our attention away from the symbols and towards evidence for authority status. The second advises us to consider not just the expert’s knowledge in the situation but also his or her trustworthiness. With regards to this second consideration, we should be alert to trust-enhancing tactic in which communicators first provide some mildly negative information about themselves. Through this strategy they create a perception of honesty that make all subsequent information seem more credible to observers. "

I would like to conclude on an amusing example of ‘rectal ear-ache’ mentioned also in this book. A doctor orders ear drops for the right ear of a patient. But rather writing out the words “right ear” the doctor writes “place in R ear”. Obediently the nurse puts the prescribed number of drops in the patient’s anus.

The author commented on this incident.
“Obviously rectal treatment of earache makes no sense but neither the patient nor the nurse questioned it. The important lesson of this story is that in many situations in which a legitimate authority has spoken, what would otherwise make sense is irrelevant.”

Bottom line is that people have a tendency to to obey experts without thinking twice.

[Muhammad Arif Khan]

I am a proud Pakistani, I know Potentials and capabilities of fellow Pakistanis vis a vis others and am proud of them.
Out of many I will narrate two incidences.
In USA at an Air Defence Alert station I found a booklet on operational capabilities of enemy (Russian) air crafts. At the end of claims of each Air craft there was a paragraph, HOW EVER PAKISTAN AIR FORCE PILOTS HAVE FLOWN IT AND THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK OF IT.

At a RAYAD Military Hospital in SA in medical out patient, two American doctors were arguing with the Reception desk in charge as to why no patient was being referred to them, he shook his head and replied, what can I do if they all want to consult Pakistani Doctors.
I hope you can feel how proud I must have felt.

Reference to con-tax is important and I have already explained it.
Arif