Hamad wrote:But as you tried to tell in your post that we need to get the specie and cultivar details before we go for any bulb then this is something like "NA 9 MAN TALE HO GA NA RADA NACHAY GI" again something impossible!, you tell me how it is possible to get all the details for an item that we purchase, do our local suppliers keep trail?, do they ever knew cultivar names and species for an item that they are offering?, my answers is a big NO they don't have a clue, all that they know is general information, like if they are offering a Lily, they may able to tell if its a Oriental or Asiatic but they would never be able to tell other details that you mentioned and even from abroad like UK not all the vendors provide the cultivar and species details.
It is not as difficult as you have made it look like. Those members who have experience of growing certain cultivars can share the same with others. In fact this what you are trying to attempt in another thread. I am only asking this to be done with more precision, ie, going to the extent of a particular cultivar and not by specie in general. If you want to achieve excellence than there is a price to paid in terms of time / research work. And no one is suggesting that till the time such a research is not completed, people are forbidden to buy any bulbs. I am just suggesting a possible course of action which in my view will minimise loss and avoid the frustration that one suffers after going through such an ordeal.
Hamad wrote:As you suggested that we should try old hybrid varieties, I don't understand that how a hybrid could remain a true hybrid for so many years because "KHORA AND KHADA CAN PRODUCE A KHACHAR BUT A KHACHAR CANT PRODUCE MORE KHACHARS" and in the market new hybrids take the place of old once and the suppliers buy new/fresh supplies every year and most of them import hybrids and the international vendors don't keep old hybrids all the time.
The only way we can keep bulbs true for so many years to come, is to use our local bulbs like Gul-e-nargis etc
Sir, most plants that we see today are hybrids and only very few are genuine specie plants. The only difference is that old hybrids have settled down, have learnt their lesson from mother nature and are therefore more capable of bearing the hardships posed by nature. The new hybrids are still evovling and may / may not be stable at this stage. It is very much possible that a brand new hybrid is absolutely stable. By I have been practicing what I have suggested for many years now and just shared the same with others. It does not apply to bulbs alone, it is a principal that I follow for most plants that I grow. But that's me. I am by no means trying to stop others from buying any hybrids which are new, not at all.
Hamad wrote:
KBW with due respect, what you have explained in your above post is quite disappointing for all tuber lovers, obviously we cant gain experience without getting our hands dirty, its your experience that made you able to talk today, to reach 10th floor you have to through all the floors from 0 to 9 there is no short cut for that I m afraid, to learn swimming I need to get into water, later I could say water was hot or cold and you have learned after spending time and money but you cant say you wasted your time and money because it has not been wasted rather you achieved/learned, there is a very good saying in Urdu "APNAY MARAY BAGAIR JANAT KAHAN NASEEB HOTI HAY, JANAT PANAY KAY LIAY APNA MARNA ZAROORI HAY". with your such message learners like myself will lose hope and might think they are also wasting their time which is not good, instead we can collectively put our efforts together so that out of thousands we could easily make a list of viable bulbs in 10's digit, and that's what we did.
and going forward we are trying to write down the details of each plant in our list in a very simple and understandable way so that a novice/beginner like myself may understand, parallel to that we are trying to understand what is a bulb, its types and what kind of climatic conditions are require to grow and if we can mimic those conditions with little effort to get better results like chilling ,etc. But all of above with regards to our climate, means what would be viable for us.
On a lighter note, neither we enlisted all the bulbs available nor we will try them but viable are a fraction and today what you have contributed or posted is just because of all that experience that you attained.
Again its good to share information but what you might have tried was out of box but in our post or listed items are believed to be in the box or may on the border line, we are looking forward with a positive attitude and InshAllah with the will of Allah I m quite positive to achieve good results out of that list, it may not prove to be 100% true but most of it would be.
Hamad sb, I am utterly surprised at your argument. It appears that you have failed to grasp the soul of my communication and have, somehow, taken it as a criticism on your effort which it is certainly not. Just a line "that I do not agree with your line of thinking" would have been enough and it would have been perfectly fine with me as I have no intentions to convince other or to convert them to my point of view. I am just sharing what happened to me and that's it.
BTW, what did you expect me to write? I only comment on a subject when I have personal experience about it. I refrain from giving advises most of the time and share my experience only; whether good or bad, right or wrong. And when I do that, it is not at all aimed at telling other members that this is the best way of doing a certain thing, and that you guys know nothing and I am here to teach you. NO, not at all. It just to share that I did this in this manner, this is my line of thinking and this is what happened to me. If someone feels that there is some guidance or lesson for him, good enough. And if someone feels that there is nothing profound in what I have suggested than he is absolutely at will to discard it and look forward to other options. But I have to describe my experience honestly, as it happened.
Today, I very honestly shared my experience about Gerberas in "My Gerberas" thread. After reading such like posts, I am suspecting that someone might come out with this argument that KBW doesn't want anyone on this forum to enjoy Gerberas, is discouraging other members from experimenting and is trying to teach others as if he is the only experienced person around and others are just wasing their time. PLEASE NOTE that I have no such intentions. I just shared what happened to me and that's all.
Please understand that if other person is not towing your line of argument than he is not necessarily criticizing you or trying to prove that you know nothing. He is just sharing his point of view which happens to be different from yours. That's it. Please be tolerant of other person's point of view and do not think negatively. By giving an argument which is not entirely in line with your's, no one is trying to belittle your effort. He is just trying to convey what he feels about that particular thing.
Lastly, when we undertake a project, it is our money which is at stake and we have full right to spend it any way we feel like. I wish you all the best in your ventures and would feel genuinely happy on your success. Just be a little tolerant of other person's point of view and that's it.
Hamad wrote:I tried to my level best to explain in a good way, I hope neither I heart your feeling nor being sarcastic and all the above discussion was on a lighter note and
your contribution is requested to our venture, and I also hope that your experience would be of great help 
Hamad
Sir, you must be joking when you write this.
Best regards and happy gardening
